Legal Experts Question T.I.’s Plea Deal
The deal is unusual considering T.I. was a convicted felon prior to federal gun charges. Atlanta defense lawyer Page Pate says cases like T.I.’s usually leave defendants with at least a 5 year sentence. There are a lot of people who are sitting serving time in federal prison right now who would love to talk to schools and churches and other community groups to serve some of their time, but they can’t do that because they don’t have his celebrity.
T.I. must of had one hell of a lawyer, and being famous didn’t hurt.







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being black and famous is the equivalent of being white haha
Bullshit, again see my previous post on this matter,
Post 16 & 29
http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/2008/03/topic/topic/news/ti-may-plead-guilty-could-face-a-year-in-jail/
dude is a fuckin snitch, simple as that and you got all these faggots in the previous post defending him. The plain and simple is if dude does less than 60 months he snitched. Trust me VA niggas know all about gun laws. 7 City whats up !!
I had a post up here…
But in short he snitched- he was snitched on- and he woulda been dumb to eat up all the time for whoever else was involved in whatever it was!!!
Not sayin I agree but i understand…
I saw the game was a farce like 20 yrs ago, so I jus do me really!
lol @ how everyone weighs money now… I could swear I saw that on BET before everyone started makin these claims! SMH at these kats out he so called doin it big…lol!
p.s. I think I saw niggas really makin it rain in the late 70’s too…lol! Not pacman jones style either… (lookin for a refund…lmao!)
YEA HE PROBABLY DID SNITCH ON NIGGAS THATS THE ONLY WAY HE COULDA GOT OFF LIKE THAT PROBABLY SEE A DVD BOUT IT WEN THE NIGGA HE SNITCH ON GET OUT…..O WELL AT LEAST HE AINT IN JAIL………IG’S STAND UP NETSET NETSET NETSETTTTTTTTTT
Niggas need 2 quit hating on TIP for only getting a year. I’m not a racist by no means but white people been getting off in court for years, so I’m happy he beat the system. I also think that Tip is to real of a dude to have snitched. As far as i’m concerned he is the one that made the South revelant again (Especially Atlanta).
Sorry to say its not hatin it reality!
I like Tip but sh!t is what it is, and jus cause I like a spade don’t mean I’m a call it a club…lol if you can dig!?
Dude was snitched on… there’s no way money or anything else got him off except the fact he followed suit and gave up a bigger fish!
Look at Mike Vick, if they want your money they can take that too(fines + time)
Tip got a sweet deal esp. seein he had prior felonIES and was not only in possesion of weapons but noit civilian weapons and silencers… come on be real with yaself!!!
This case seems staged for a means of promoting T.I. in the criminal figure. It’s All Bull!!
Cosign #2,#6 I was in the FEDs when your dealing w/ the feds having a good lawyer YES helps, but not like that,like that… T.I. has a prior felonies and was possession of weapons and silencers, and plus hes a hiphop figure they want 2 make a example out of him… that dude was srt8 biting the cheese. i ain’t try 2 hear any thing else and like Son said if they (FEDS) wanted they can his $ money too!
That boy Clifford Harris plead guilty to illegally buying machine guns, not regular burners but MACHINE GUNS In exchange for his plea, and hes getting 1000 hours of community service and a year ni66a plz. “They say the deal is unusual considering T.I. was a convicted felon.” He should under the federal guideline get at least a 5 year sentence. I’m not hatin that ni66a is Master Splinter… They will eat that ni66as food in the Feds if he isn’t placed in PC cuz everybody in the bing going 2 know he bit the cheese!
its like yall wanted him to get more time or suttin…the nigga paid hella cheese for his legal team. if u got money u can get out of anything. cant act like he aint got cheese, when he come out wit a album its on grand hustle, his label. he sellin hella records, he gettin 100 grand+ a show, he the hottest rapper outta the south right now, and the south is runnin shit. if he snitched he snitched, shit nobody knows for sure, but r kelly took a shit on a little girl and videotaped it, and he only gonna get a year, if that. he paid the right people man, dont assume a good nigga like t.i. snitched. the nigga might beat his shit, he might not get no time at all. yall niggas musta not ever did nuthin illegal in yall life to not feel good he beat the system, cuz i aint gon lie, i still do illegal shit, and if this nigga beat his case it make me feel like if i catch one i can beat mine too REALTALK
lol… whoa you’s and exagerattin dude fam!!!
Lol @ “r kelly took a shit on a little girl and videotaped it, and he only gonna get a year, if that.”
Like thats even a fair comparison…lol!
WHOA snap back to reality fam! He’s a self proclaimed 7 time felon! Machine guns and Silencers… if he ain’t snitch Jigga is the GOD MC!
and that nigga name is still Shawn not Rakim Allah!
Nigga…..he telling…the feds dont care about your lawyer…they have unlimited resources(US taxpayers). Silencers have some mandatory shit going on with it……WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAD A CASE SIMILAR. THE ONLY WAY HE WOULD HAVE PLEAD IS IF HE EITHER SNITCHED…OR THE GOVERNMENTS CASE WAS WEAK (I.E. TERRY STOP) OR NO CLEAR RESONABLE CAUSE TO STOP. I DOUBT THAT CAUSE ITS THE FEDS…O.K. O.K..MURDER INC BEAT THEM, BUT THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED…SUPREME MAGNETIC. THE INC WENT BROKE IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF THE FEDS.
NOW ON ANOTHER NOTE…I THINK THERE REALLY IS A CONSPIRACY…THE FEDS WENT AFTER…MURDER INC, DEATH ROW, AND RAP A LOT(IDEALISTIC BLACKS)…(JAY Z WAS BOUGHT OUT, SPLIT UT THE ROC)BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA BE THE FIRST BLACK OWNED MUSIC DISTRIBUTERS. MEANING….SEAN COMBS, DR. DRE OR BOOTCAMP WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH BLACK OWNED HANDS AND NOT ISLAND OR CAPITOL, RCA, WARNER, OR ANY OTHER LABEL.
ALSO NOTICE ONLY URBAN MUSIC IS COMPLAINING ABOUT DECLINING RECORD SALES. I BET HANNA MONTANA AND THE COUNTRY, ROCK,METAL ARE NOT COMPLANINING AS MUCH…..IF IT WALKS AND TALKS LIKE A DUCK. WHILE YALL BABOONS ARE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT A GODDAMN FAT JOE 50 CENT BATTLES…ANOTHER WAY OUT OF THE HOOD IS SLOWLY CLOSING. YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE SO EASILY MISLED IT’S PATHETIC. GO READ A BOOK, LISTEN TO AN OLD FARRAKAHN SPEECH OR SOMETHING. GO CHECK OUT AN EPISODE OF THE BOONDOCKS.
Who the hell is ti gonna snitch on he was the one that got set up. The fed wanted him no1 else if they wanted some1 bigger they would of just set them up dudes r quick to hate damn
Typical black people…..”Crabs in a Barrel”. Who cares why he got the deal? The feds 9 times out of 10 had a weak case. The wanted to make an example out of him either way.
People don’t understand how much money and time TIP has donated in Atlanta. Not many, if any convicted felons can say that. It boils down to being a productive citizen in society and obvious TIP can be that.
So when everybody is comparing their story….stop and think about how much you have given back to your community. If you don’t have the money to, give your time. And when your case comes maybe the court will look at you different.
Yea tip had some good lawyers on his payroll, one of them a man named Ken mcgee came to speak at my high school, he was real cool when I had asked him how does he feel about famous people getting off with a slap on the wrist he told me tip had personally called him to represent him, but ken said no because he had other obligations at the time.
Yelling snitch for black niggas is like yelling steroids in baseball now adays. Its a fuckin witch hunt. Well what I wanna know is who did he snitch on if he snitched? Blanket statements and allegations dont hold weight outside of a blog.
Niggas act like they passed the fuckin bar exam because they caught a case or two. We all caught a fuckin case or two before and i’ll tell you right now, the law is just like everything else in this country, its all about who you know and or how much money you have. Welcome to America…
CO SIGN #2 FUCK t.I. HE TALK ALL THAT SHIT BUT HIS ASS AINT EVEN GONNA BE IN POPULATION 4REAL. YALL NIGGAS KNO DAMN WELL HE GOING TO CELEBRITY CELLS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
T.I. is a mothafuckin snitch point blank end of story
T.i’s lawyer was headin for entrapment cuz of the CW. that set em up. LOL@he a snitch…dude goin to prison fo sho. prolly do like 5 yrs but he will unleash a shit load of music before he goes in & chop down dat community service.
~No Snitchin~
#10 wake up he didn’t beat his case he didn’t go 2 TRIAL no disrespect but if your street or if have common sense you know the nigga snitched and by the way I do fucks with dude as far as the music gos, but he snitched it is what it is! My dude this is federal not no State court shit… # 12 I agree W/ you but the murder inc dudes like I said took it 2 trial and the case was lengthy, this nigga caught these charges a couple of months back and a reminder hes not going 2 trial.. so he ain’t beat shit… “Crabs” u must be crazy “stop and think about how much you have given back to your community. If you don’t have the money to, give your time. And when your case comes maybe the court will look at you different” that is true 2 a degree however dude got caught w/ more MACHINE GUNS than a lil bit he had guns like he was going 2 war..dont get it twist i do think he got snitch on however he did the samething back.. You know the saying 2 wrongs don make a ….
ya know that there is this thing called legally obtaining evidence, and the feds did not do this. why the fuck you think there was no trial? and the guns werent T.I.’s his bodyguard was the one who bought em. read this and do a search. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001427.html
yall need ot watch the wire to learn about this shit. you can get off easy as fuck without snitchin specially if the evidence wasnt obtained legally. why the fuck you think he never went to trial.
Listen, more than anything its not about hatin its about how this clown promotes how tough and real he claims to be. Ni66az have to be hating cause cats have crushes on they favorite rappers. You wont know who he snitched until it plays out. Best believe ni66az is somewhere right now packing they bags getting out of dodge. Now hip hop has an official informant so, Watch What U Say 2 Me ha!
1st of all none of you idiots are street. Cuz in the feds there are minimal to no violent offenders most fed cases are rico laws, tax evasion, and other white collar crimes usually involving large sums of money. The boy aint snitch he rich money talks plain and simple this cases wasnt about TIP going to jail it was about making a prosecuter look good during election season.
first of all none of you idiots are street. Cuz in the feds there are minimal to no violent offenders most fed cases are rico laws, tax evasion, and other white collar crimes usually involving large sums of money. The boy aint snitch he rich money talks plain and simple this cases wasnt about TIP going to jail it was about making a prosecuter look good during election season.
For the pigs this is the perfect scenario for them. You got one of raps biggest stars by the balls, shit put him back on the streets for a year see what he comes up wit. If its not enough hang that 60 months over his head until it is. Remember the govt has been looking for a reason to shut down hip hop period, and they just gave your boy the key. Fuck That Ni66a!
either he had some damn good lawyers or someone snitched….
Yeh he got off easy! So what! People getta life outside of hatin on someone else for your own wrong doings. Im a felon myself, and I felt I didnt deserve the consequence I received, but im not mad at T.I. because he got off easier than I. Hes very intelegant plus the nigga got hella money! What do you expect! whats more interesting to me is that now T.I. can brag and rap about how he got let off the hook on gun charges. If he didnt seem like a hardcore rapper before this definitly makes him seem very tough now huh? Oh well, if he snitched it’ll come back on him one day.
Coming from a lawyer, here is what I believed has happened…as you may or may not know, TI’s lawyers filed a motion to suppress…meaning they were challenging the evidence(all the guns in the truck and his crib) on 4th amendment search and seizure grounds. Now this hearing is sort of like a mini-trial, where the government has to show the defendants right were not violated. If a judge determines they were, the evidence would be suppressed, and in TI’s case that would mean a dismissal. Now the Feds most likely would have needed TI’s bodyguard to testify at this hearing. IMO, this guy has suddenly come down with amnesia or can not be found. If so, the Feds would be compelled to offer a sweet deal.
The bigger fish (speculating… this is bloggin not the news) but ummm maybe the damn gun dealer!?
co sign pounce #16…what niggas dont like t.i. or suttin? niggas think he snitched cuz he beat his case? i dont understand…all i got to go off of is niggas i know from the A. a lotta niggas used to fuck wit t.i. back in the day and they said he a good dude. if dont nobody that used to fuck wit the nigga think he snitched, why would i? if the nigga supposedly spent 10 mill on his legal team, he had to snitch on top of that? and 2 cents its the same shit, R kelly allready had multiple charges against him from back in the day for fuckin lil girls, now he took a shit on a little girl on tape and the shit just went away. how? cuz the nigga had enough cheese in the bank to pay the right people….u get a great defense on your side and get a few people who are pillars in the community to back u up, and voila, u beat your case. the judge might listen to t.i. music, shit man he a celebrity. celebrities get off all the time….its too many factors that go against the “he snitched” opinion to just assume that he snitched. your whole reason for thinking he beat his case is cause “he snitched”….but u have no proof, just opinion, and everything i just stated was a fact. until further notice, the nigga didnt snitch on nobody and he beat his case. niggas just automatically assume niggas snitched nowadays, wit not a shred of proof
Yo big ups #30. Thats some real shit homie. Niggaz sayin T.I. snitched and dont really have any proof. Like I said in #27, the proof is in the pudding. If he did snitch the truth will come to light. The fact of the matter is that he still rich and now he’ll be even more famous from this lil stunt of his. So stop wasting meaningfull time hatin on this nigga fareal.
@ Whoa
You saw R Kelly Shit on a lil b!tch, and he was a convicted sex felon before the tape?
Facts are conveyed from friend who know of someone now too?
I never said I was 100 on the situation we all speculatin but come on fam money or not (again Michael Vick, Mike Tyson, etc) If you’re a convicted felon (for guns and drugs and potentially violent crimes) and you get set up in a sting I don’t see thats translating to a suspended sentence and 1.,500 hours of community service!
RICO is that federal sh!t right?
And again I ain’t mad at him… niggas need to grow up and become men! and Unotil we are unified enough in our communities to legislate and police them we gotta do what we gotta do!
Let me start by saying I’m a fan of T.I. Some of yall though I was hating…but if you read carefully.. I said it was either a Terry stop I.e. Weak case…or he snitched or gave evidence on a bigger fish, I.e. The person putting in stash boxes a guns to the celebs. You heard Prodigy…they offered to drop the charges is he set up 50 cent. Advantage to 50 cent cause he don’t smoke or drink or pop pills(always clear headed) JAy z as well, but Jay Z is no threat because he’s not idealistic. Havin’ money helps but it won’t detour the gov if you are in the cross hairs.
Did this nigga say “Watch the Wire” Nigga I live BMore! Fuck are you talking about. In the streets as we speak on a sidekick lx. LMAO. On my purple break. Things aint the same, Blue light cameras everywhere. Niggaz snitchin, Bloods and Crips. Stop Snitchin started here. I know dem niggaz. Stop getting your street knowledge from T.V. Its nothing but a hustle that’s it that’s all. Fuck a lifestyle. Hustle up enough money to get a legal business and pay your taxes niggas. Its simple.
ya’ll keep saying that the feds must’ve had a weak case and niggas shouldnt say he snitched. they had a star witness, who bought guns, probably got caught, gave up t.i., told when and where he would be with a large number of firearms in his possesion. they had reasonable doubt to search his person, vehicle,and home. ya’ll talkin like it was a simple traffic stop and the beat cops smelled sum weed or sumthing.
na nigga they had warrants, signed by judges, they built a case against him. waited for him to be with alot of guns away from home so they could search the house without warning.
that is a case that doesnt fall apart, sum of ya’ll dudes dont make no sense saying it woulda been dismissed. if it was dismissed he wouldnt do any time at all. he would walk, the fact that he’s getting a year in jail, a year house arrest, 1500 hours of comm. service shows he was charged with something, i dont know the specific charges of what stuck and what got thrown out.
but a felon with weapons and silencers doesnt just go away, he finished from the moment the feds found him with a gun
i don’t care how he got the deal i’m just happy he got it and hopefully he can stay out of trouble so we can have the good music!!
Federal Laws make illegal gun possession a felony that carries a mandatory sentence of 5 years. The key word is mandatory, for all you whiz kids. And 1 year doesn’t come close to 5. Something happened. I never heard about them suppressing the evidence, for any reason. So the case was still on. We are governed by federal law. He is a convicted felon. The 3 strikes your out Law is a federal law, that most states have adopted. The silencers carry mandatory sentences. If it smell funny, it is funny. The boy had too many serious charges against him, for it to come to a year. You got dudes doing a year for not paying they child support, or DWI. Gun charges are a little more serious.
@ 21, if this dude P-Low mentions “The Wire” one more damn time, get off from in front of your TV bitch
LMFAO @ #9 - Cutitout you are hilarious and you get the award of the month for namin TI “Master Splinter” LOL that shit is hilarious
The snitch rule only applies when everyone keeps their mouth shut. But once you’ve been violated by the niggas that was suppose to hold you down.
It’s all out war. This nigga got 4 kids and 1 on the way, plus a multi-million dollar career to think about. For lack of a better term screw that street code crap of not snitching.
Everybody snitches at some point or another when the stacks are high enough. If that what he had to do to continue feeding his family, then my nigga do you, cause the codes aint there when another nigga raising ur kids cause you doing 10 yrs.
^^^^ Greg, sorry that you just exposed the bitch in you on this site. Again for guys who are not in the street (like yourself) telling to get yourself out of a situation is fine. TI gives us all the made man nigga shit all day long, how he trill, how he this, how he that, how it aint a game, therefore hes supposed to stick to the code. If the deal goes through and he only gets a year, he is definitely a snitch (or Master Splinter, lol) my thing is why dont fans hold rappers accountable for the bullshit they say. if its only entertainment then make sure you take that thug face and talk out of all of your interviews, you don’t see Denzel on Jay Leno actin like Frank Lucas and shit. Therefore we know Denzel is acting and its alright but when you go around on that made man shit and dont act accordingly, you get a FUCK YOU where most people are from. Hold the bitch ass nigga accountable, thats all I am sayin.
WHO THE FUCK HE SNITCH ON.IF YALL CAN TELL ME THAT THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.BUT YALL FUCKIN JAILHOUSE ATTORNEY.THERES NO ONE TO SNITCH ON STUPID.
@ Flysweetz, how about the actual supplier, theres a group of people who can be snitched on, lol or do you think his bodyguard was the actual supplier, lol
@ NO NO NO The b**** in me? Come on dawg! That term is normally reserved for those who get played not the one playing the game, and you’re right I aint a street nigga. Never have been, or pretended to be.
Why? Because real street niggas end up 1 or 2 ways dead or in jail. If that’s what it takes to be a street nigga then sorry not interested!
Not let’s address the “B*****” in me comment. Normally the b**** is the one that gets screwed and being that most of gansta hip hop fans (you included)buy into the images that are potrayed and follow the codes that are amplified. That would qualify you as the b****.
Why? Because you have orchestrated your life to be ruled by codes established by ignorant criminals that feeds off the stupidity and fear to maintain their activity in our community. So who is getting f*****! when a simple anwser would have freed you from missing 10 yrs. of your son/daughters life. So if snitching on a nigga that set me up is what makes me a b****. Then for my family sake that’s what I will be. A b****
well Greg, glad you know you a bitch lol
@ Greg, I feel what you are sayin and you are correct but I think you have to put it in the context of TI and the code that these fake rappers claim to live by. Thats what I think most people are doin in these comments, just puttin it in context of the image he portrays his life to be. I believe the whole thug thing does nothing for our community but for those who claim the game, I say live and die by it. To me it is dishonarable to flip on anybody even if you got flipped on by someone else, those are their rules.
Also after reading the original article, I’m not so sure RealTalk is reporting this issue correctly, Isnt the article saying that his sentencing will be in a year and not that he faces a maximum or minimum of a year?? thats at least the way I read it. Real Talk may have started a firestorm for no reason… lol. now if a year comes and he only gets a year or 18 months then I agree he gave someone up to get that deal, its virtually impossible.
WhatUP to FlyaKite 7City here too, Bad News Family
NO NO NO you a funny dude. LOL!
A young mother of three was shot dead in Brooklyn Sunday night when a trigger-happy thug started firing at a boozy backyard party
This is the crap that real street niggas do, and I hate it with a passion.
Now watch how no one at the party seen anything. Why?
Cause we got to abide by the no snitching policy even if it means a whole family die.
NO NO NO YOU DONT MAKE NO FUCKIN SINCE.WHAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK T.I. WAS SUPPLYING THE GUNS FOR SOMEONE ELSE HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE CASE THE DEALER WHO SOLD THE GUN TO THE BODYGUARD IS WHO TIP THE FEDS OFF.DO YOUR HOMEWORK DUMBASS.THE DEALER TOLD THE FEDS SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO BUY ILLEGAL GUN AND SLIENTCERS AND THE FEDS TOOK OVER GOT THE BODYGUARD WHICH LED THEM TO T.I. I GUEST T.I. SNITCH ON T.I.P. LOL
You clowns got life twisted,I’ll tell you what I got for keeping my mouth shut aka not snitchin: A criminal record,a hard time finding a job,and the ni66a I did the bid 4 on land f*cking my girl. Real talk for all yall fake ni66as.The real code of the streets is survive any way you can.If snitchin keep you out the joint do what you got to cause aint loyalty.Anybody who tells you different is lying to themselves and you!
@ 1 Co fucking sign
Hey CUTITOUT…you sound foolish…. How can you posiibly compare your fed case to T.I’s “YOU AIN’T GOT T.I MONEY”. sweetie I have seen it all from ni@@as dealing with the feds and those getting in bed with the feds for deals.. Dude ain’t snitch on nobody money talk and bull$hit walk. Dude got money and a record label behind him. Now his label may have had to sign something taking responsibility should he fall short of his deal however this is not a case of snitching a snitch still gets 5yrs fed time….All yall hating need to stop. Get your money up if you a criminal baby thats all the state wants is cash!!!!
After a year of no suspects in the murder of his friend Philot Johnson, 2 weeks before TI’s sweet deal the suspects were arrested. TI sat on that info until it could help him.He gave the cops a body. He finally told on the people who killed his friend.
After a year of no suspects in the murder of his friend Philont Johnson, 2 weeks before TI’s sweet deal the suspects were arrested. TI sat on that info until it could help him.He gave the cops a body. He finally told on the people who killed his friend.